i do not denigrate their service or define them as inferior. The leading cause of preventable death among US military casualties in the Vietnam War was exsanguination from extremity wounds. I also had assisted the FAA in 3 fatal Aircraft accidents. Considering the kind of information available about the death rate of WWII and Korean War Veterans, publicized information indicates that in the last 14 years Vietnam veterans are dying at the rate of 390 deaths each day. Nor, do they know about what is referred to as the last battle of the Vietnam war, which occurred on 15 May 1975, eight days after the legally defined end date of the Vietnam era; 7 May 1975. Had several replies over the years that this was not a cause. I appreciate the fact that I Sam in the combat group that won the war against the communist rabble during their Tet Offensive in 1968. Certainly leaves some doubt about the numbers because why are we including the years from 1954 to when the actual American forces entered hostile missions? they sucked. I agree with the conclusion taken by the Website Admin. I got angry at him even saying that he was a vet of the war. I was searching aria, even though these ruts are a real bitch! I was jostled and jerked by the truck over the dusty road. Funny, none of them were called WWII Era Veterans. These numbers do not include the Americans who served in Vietnam during World War II. He was carrying a BAR, killed fighting an infantry action, and the desk jockeys decided he did not meet requirements for a CIB. Change). This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. How many Canadian WWII veterans are still alive? He was one of the most decorated American combat soldiers of World War II. However, according to the Veterans Affairs Administration, there are an estimated 38,000 veterans die each day. Eight Vietnam Veterans Die every day. Dont know about the MM but everyone got the same combat pay whether a grunt or clerk. I was C 3/17 air cav. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. We had a lot of support vets near Saigon. I flew with the 220th Aviation Company (Cat Killers) in 1968. There are questions like this that are hard to answere as being true boots on ground. Copyright 2022 MilitaryPerson.com in viet nam, because of the unions, they got more money. I was driving the OPs 3/4-ton, 4X4 truck down the main dirt highway from Camp Enari entering the Ville and Mark Stanley was a passenger in the cab. I was on merchant ships for three years in viet nam. Vietnam War veterans can suffer from a variety of physical and mental health conditions, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), drug and/or alcohol problems, and hearing loss. no body turned down extra hands, and my india purchased white shirt and shorts made me attractive target in the event of a problem, and provided some humor to the 130 crews. i never saw them again, but i knew we had shared something that was filled with pride, sadness, and the passage of time. if you slept in the same bed more than 4 nights a week you were a REMF doesnt make you a abad guy but you are a remf. I know the difference, do you ? serveved in nam 67 to 68 and 69 to 70. both tours in the 1st cav. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. All others should not be accepted to have served either on land or at sea in Vietnam. Merchant Marine officers or crew are not wearing the uniform of the USAs Armed Forces. Operation Homecoming was completed on March 29, 1973, when the last of 591 U.S. prisoners were released and returned to the United States. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". It makes a big difference because stating that only one-third of Vietnam veterans are still alive today is much harsher than stating that three-quarters of Vietnam veterans are still alive and well. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Jul 1971-19 Dec 1971) 29th CA Co, XXIV Corps (Danang). If you served in any other places you are a Veteran, ERA is an embellishment of your service. My time stands still. We were near AF ranch hand ops and many of my buds still alive from then have the cancers, diabetes, amputations and such. It would cause great pain to them; reminiscent of what occurred to the family of my namesake, my first cousin Dante Michael Puccetti. My uncle John was in Company A, 290th Engineer Combat Bn during WWII. Without a doubt Helicopter Crews are COMBAT VETS, to fly so low & slow over the most hidden turf below.. On landing at LZ Gold March 19, 1967 we lost 6 Hueys and 7 pilots. It seems to be all about syntax. ho, i could not . It seems to be all about syntax. young men and woman who were there and did get fired on, or were in danger, should be recognized . You may not care but us guys that stepped foot in Nam AND had bullets flying at us, we care, and we are genuine vietnam Combat Vets. Serving during the TET offensive and time after. One of the things that really bothers me is the statement that we lost in Vietnam? https://news.va.gov/89450/vietnam-war-veterans-honoring-served-memorial-day-2021/. Age: 78. As a retired Green Beret, his assessment and stats of the war are accurate. Could this be friendly fire on a beautiful Sunday? As I moved my right hand to change gears, it just blew apart, as red blood and parts of my hand flew everywhere instantaneously, but in slow motion I seemingly was catapulted onto some parallel universe. The truth is that until Vietnam veterans can agree amongst themselves what constitutes a real Vietnam vet, the debate may continue. BAM! Other than guard duty i was not in combat but the perimeter at Long Binh was regular defoliated and we experienced rocket and mortar attacks. Systematically, a surveyor from the Plei Do Lim (PDL) flash Out Post (OP) had too physically exchanged the old for the new code-book and radio frequencies for the facility. This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. If you prefer to differentiate who served in country and who did not, then the arithmetic must divide the groups into two lists accordingly. Over 8.7 million Americans served in the Armed Forces during the Vietnam era from 1964 to 1973 (1). Or is this a total number of vets with all the other countries that supported us . (There are other locations and occupations also, but lets not muddy the waters in this paragraph.) It was an incredibly tumultuous time in US history and, for that reason, its unclear how many people actually served during this struggle. The last veteran who served in the trenches was Harry Patch (British Army), who died on 25 July 2009, aged 111. it eas a very loud high pitched, not human and the sound was fuck you. Canada did not enter the war so many Canadians joined the americansThey wanted to put a memorial in Ottawa and were refused the built it someplace on the Canadian side I beieve near Detroit, The monument is on the Canadian side of the Detroit River (Windsor). David, please do not compare this to Merchant Seaman in WWII who braved the many packs of Submarines etc as thgatr uis hgow many died in WWIU, Sorry my spell check went nuts I left this Sunday, as other mornings, to make a supply run and a code book and frequency transfer to Headquarters and Headquarters Battery (HHB); to gather C-Rations, mail, and most importantly to acquire our new radio codes of the confidential frequencies for this period. I KNOW MY STATS BECAUSE I WAS THE LONGEST SERVING MEMBER (20 YRS) on the New Jersey Agent Orange Commission, including four years as Chairman. If they enlisted or were drafted before 1975, they likely are in their late 60s now. Everyone did their assigned job; some just got better assignments. USA, (Ret.). 2.4 million man who served in Nam approx. What is the life expectancy of a Vietnam veteran? I remember reading in the Stars and Stripes there were 500,000 plus in Vietnam at the time. How old are Vietnam vets now? My spirit was above my body and I was looking down at myself bouncing around in the drivers side. Dr. Paul A. Scipione Also consider the thousands that served multiple tours. the average combat vet in Nam was 240 days. According to the Pentagons Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office, there are currently 83,204 unaccounted for U.S. personnel, including 73,547 from World War II, 7,883 from the Korean War, 126 from the Cold War, 1,642 from the Vietnam War, and six from Iraq and other recent conflicts, including three Defense. What qualifies you as a viet Nam vet would be if you stepped foot on the soil. Thats what we did in Vietnam we left and am glad we did. from Fallen Leaves, Broken Lives By Edward Tick Defining Combat Veterans, tell us what number you give yourself, we have a controversy here with a candidate for Governor, he claims now that he is a combat veteran, but he told me in his campaign for the House seat he presently holds, that he was NOT a combat veteran. Great article! So I was in the Army National Guard during the Iraq War, So I guess I am An Iraq War Veteran. What other conclusions have been made about the percentage of Vietnam veterans who are still alive? Vince. Through my blood-covered face, I could not distinguish whom! They lost about 20 men KIA in late January, many captured. 31 sets of brothers are on the Wall. my larger point is that , in my opinion, they were veterans. He now has a 100% disability as unemployable. How many veterans die each day? Our side would have collapsed without you. I am unsure of how many Native peoples joined the US marine corps and volunteered for combat duties. BTW, Marys father was a Marine in Nam and died when she was only a few years old. Arne Fuller, Tucson AZ. State-Level Veteran Suicide Data: 2020 Update Based on them, and allowing for a couple of intervening years, there appear to be about 600,000 veterans still living who actually set foot in Vietnam or flew in the skies above it. Agreed. Believe it or not, I still have every pay voucher..and in 1967 Hazard Duty Pay was $65. all of the participants in this thread are veterans. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died. Just a minor clarification, not all of us were on the groundJust being picky. Dave, Although my time had come, my death brought a realization that, I WOULD NOT ALLOW MYSELF TO DYE IN THAT JUNGLE. I discovered a conviction, antithesis to my beliefs, that it was not the North Vietnamese Army that sealed my fate, nor the soldier that touched off the RPG that distorted my body; I had the power from GOD to go to the next phase in my journey. Please do all you can to inform our fellow vets that the VA presumes Agent Orange exposure if you were in-country. Cheers, Check out this post and see if you can figure this out. Things that they did not tell you. Help train personnel from many different Companies to do the same. The list of cancers gets longer with each passing year. How were WWII veterans & Korean War Veterans accounted for? Most of those who flew had Air Medals which are a combat medal. Hazardous duty pay was $65 and overseas pay varied by rank $8 to $ 16. my point is that they were shot at and in country. Hell no. Interesting and certainly thought-provoking. In the highlands we had to take one every day in addition to the once a week pill. Those of us on the battlefield who bled and many died would take issue with your opinion. So do Vietnam Veterans have twenty-three more years or only ten until the last man falls? Agent Orange is impacting that timeline and those serving around the world were not affected by this wonderous life-robbing gift. I think there about 250,000 Virtnam Vets that saw actual combat. it is much easier to say who was not. We just hoped the pilot put us where we were supposed to be. When all was done and the Army was cleaning up the details of the action, they decided to award CIBs to the officers and not to enlisted. The only good thing was 22 days off my tour. Finally got all the right stuff together; received benefits couple months ago. Wiki User. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. My husband was awarded several (door gunner w/191st AHC Bounty Hunters). I would say anyone who has drawn Vietnam Hazard Duty pay, 30 dollars for every month or part of any month, in or over country, should qualify. we both served and i think that is what distinguishes us from draft dodgers or people that claimed bone spurs or kept getting deferments those are the people i despise. The roar was deafening; through the shattered windshield, I saw the truck go out of control. I stomped the gas and the engine roared- the truck jumped forward and bounced crazily and so did, garbing the steering tightly. How many Vietnam veterans are dying . There he was wearing my dress uniform jacket SSG, CIB, BS three rows of ribbons 8 years service, 10 overseas hash marks and he had 3 very underage teeny boppers girls smoking weed telling them war stories and bragging about his combat exploits. When were the last Vietnam POWs released? A lot of guys broke out with rashes every time that sprayed for mosquitos, using Melithon, which was every 2 weeks over all Base Camps. It is an all-too-common misunderstanding that to be affected by Agent Orange you had to have been sprayed, and/or you are required to prove that to the VA. But Officers do not get CIBs But for those Cav troopers who know I have my Spurs. If you were in Vietnam, you were exposed to Agent Orange, period. I don't know about you guys, but it kind of gives me the chills. remember) there will likely be a debate as to how About 12 out of every 100 Gulf War Veterans (or 12%) have PTSD in a given year. I can smell a fake and phony 10 seconds after we meet !!!!! They used the same aircraft, and there was anything left in the aircraft, whatever the spray for the day was added, so you got both. It too bad that guys that never fought think for some reason they deserve credit for being in Vietnam when they werent. The politicians and fake news along with the Berkeley professors lost it for the American people after that. And just as the bell rang he got out of the ring , technically I won the fight. 997 guys died the first day they stepped in Nam. What report or reference confirms it? The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. And yes I was sprayed with Agent Orange. Interestingly, the research concludes that Vietnam veterans seem to be dying at a similar rate to World War II veterans. In the enormity of the cosmos, Vietnam is inconsequential, covered over by days dust! Data Appendix Methods Report Report FAQs. Pleiku, Dak To, An Khe. Got home after the war, never spoke about my service, never went hunting again, never cut my feeling back on! Im 75 and served in South Vietnam (30 Dec 1967-68) A/504th MP Bn. Music That Moves the Military. We all bleed red. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Educate your self and search the web for the last battle of the Vietnam war. I have heard many stories (more in the past 30 years) of people claiming to be a combat veteran, maybe seeking some kind of hero status or valid excuse for why they are where they are. I saw plenty of people providing direct combat support to the effort in. He is absolutely obsessed with military and different men who have served, The definitive statistics come from the VAs Million Vietnam Vets database, which will continue until we are all gone. I got the disability benefits at age 79. According to Department of Veterans Affairs' projections, Vietnam Veteran deaths will hit 103,890 this year, about 285 a day. Question One: Are we talking Vietnam Veterans or Vietnam Era Veterans. I was ASA, 1960-1963, Ft Dix, Vint Hill Farm, DaNang and PhuBai. It was 3:30pm when I entered the slowest aspect of the trip. The exact percentage of surviving Vietnam War veterans is not known, but it is estimated to be around 25% of the total number of veterans who served during the war. How old is the youngest Vietnam veteran still alive? I read a statistic somewhere that one in seven where in actual combat. It has a life of its own. 997 soldiers997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam . Combat Veterans know who they are, pretenders know that they are not.. Smokey Platoon. Some, like myself did not serve a full 12month tour. You do not need to establish anything other than that. Those were the prime draft years, but of course there were a few older guys over there too.This does not include other American men there who are not covered by the A, like civilian contractors. Our service was diminished while there and continues being disrespected by those who lump all Vietnam-Era vets with those whose lives were on the line. I realized what control I had in the cosmos. As Ive mentioned before, I dont think posing this question was intended to be divisive among veterans, but it has turned out to be. That's 390 per day. TRUE, yes more may have had a mortar or rocket land in the vicinity, or heard a sniper round shot, but the manpower rule is 1 out of 7 10 is an actual seek out and engage the enemy, tip of the spear veteran. How many Vietnam vets are still alive today? If you assumed that 500,000 new troops served there every year from 1962-1975, you still couldnt get to 9,000,000 serving there, so using the peak number is not realistic. We were sitting ducks to support our artillery & infantry troops, so talk your trash! It does not store any personal data. I have read about Canadians coming south to fight in Vietnam but have never seen any real authority to support this. I appreciate all the support there and around the world but Vietnam area at Fort Whatever Ohio wasnt Vietnam and no matter how brave the girls in Germany told you you were you were not a Vietnam Vet. While I honor those who served worldwide, it comes across as yet another slap in the face to those of us who faced enemy fire. Vietnam Veteran ages range from 55 to 97 years old. My sister found enough info to get her husbands ship re-classified to a Brown Water ship due to his operation of a river boat and also medical evac of Marines, while he was assigned to the flagship, the Newport News, Prior to that any sailor who served aboard the Newport News, that applied for disability connected with Agent Orange, was denied. Still, the American War Library continues to verify their accounts and come to more concrete conclusions. Their names are at least on the wall thanks to the efforts of many service organizations and Congress. I was with 4th Med Bn. It is estimated that there are around 610,000 surviving Vietnam War veterans as of 2023. Then, I stopped at the 5th. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Very helpful for this Viet Nam vet, at 73 and a little long in the tooth I I find that my understanding of the time I spent in Viet Nam comes into sharper focus as time goes by and the reality of what happened and what I did to participate makes me proud especially because I volunteered for Viet Nam at the age of 17. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. and i abhor those who say they served when they were plumbers in texas and talk of medals they never earned. next with 1st of 12th cav. The VVA Veteran boils it down to a totally different conclusion that the American War Library drew. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I was on LZ Bayonet during 1970 and experienced many of the things you described. My government murdered me. I was at 6 different LZs from Aug 67-Aug 68, with a 4th Medical Battalion aid station (D Company), and I never heard of a fuck you lizard. I have one, but I fought a ferocious battle at FSB Gold at the beginning of Operation Junction II March 21, 1967, the artillery guys in Vietnam were every bit an infantryman as well, they suffered mortar & rocket attacks, enemy probes and attacks They were lucky in some ways that they did not have to crawl through the shit every day. Splitting out the numbers of combat and era vets are separate questions. We didnt make it on shore very often but I still feel I was in VietNam. Quite a story. This cookie is used by the website's WordPress theme. Once I was threatened with death if I mentioned NAM again. To that we can add those who served in adjacent waters and countries, but 2.6 is likely the closest figure to those in country. An overwhelming number are buried by family and friends. Having served two tours on the ground, as they say, I find it depressing. Numbers can always be manipulated. The dashboard gauges and the gearshift lever approached, as I hit the dashboard with my left side and my head crashed to the floor; My spirit rejoined and I was protected by the firewall. Forget 1954, let use a true date of 1962 (first advisors) In my mirror I saw its beam illuminate each and every particle of dust that my passing vehicle spewed into the air; thus creating a mobile, magical, camouflaged chamber of brightly dancing fairies shielding me from harm. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. That is exactly what I was going to post. I agree, 10% in combat, sounds right! This trip always was a concern, because I would be in a vulnerable condition in Indian Country with only two surveyors alone in a ton jeep. Interestingly, the research concludes that Vietnam veterans seem to be dying at a similar rate to World War II veterans. He got a letter from his wife telling him she was divorcing him and marrying his best friend. i have read that only one in seven guys that went to Vietnam, were actually in combat. Sobering Statistics Concerning Vietnam Vets As of April 2016 . I recall combat pay (Hazard DutyPay) at $60 dollars a month. (LogOut/ Only believing what Fox & Friends has to say is really what you need to question Most things in the NYT does get critical peer review and push back when questionable Fox NOT SO, look at the crap coming out of Tucker Carlson, now that is scary extreme BS, The picture tells far more than a Thousand Words, it is that thousand yard stare, and any veteran who was out there can fill in the blanks of what they were thinking at that moment Offshore ocean sailing is a lot like being out trucking thru the jungle Minutes , hours day upon day of monotony and boredom, interrupted by moments of fright & terror I know that thousand yard stare, and many a time since I have found myself back there in my mind, staring at whatever and seeing nothing but what was in my mind. Another long time friend served on the Riverine Force actually served on John Kerrys boat and is mentioned prominently in his book, told me stories about being ambushed, as those boats made a lot of noise. The military stopped the. Some advisors embassy guards, but all combat units left. Melathion was 96% pure. this exclusiveness does no one any credit. Our medic gave them out every Monday. Who really cares who stepped foot on land. Also, some do not consider those who served in Thailand as Vietnam Vets. The number of people who are Vietnam veterans in the first place is a number that is widely debated. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Florida Agricultural And Mechanical University, Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis, Massachusetts Institute Of Technology (Mit), Missouri University Of Science And Technology, State University Of New York Health Science Center At Brooklyn, Suny College Of Environmental Science And Forestry, The University Of North Carolina At Charlotte, The University Of Texas Health Science Center At Houston, The University Of Texas Health Science Center At San Antonio, The University Of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, The University Of Texas Medical Branch At Galveston, The University Of Texas Rio Grande Valley, Uniformed Services University Of The Health Sciences, University At Buffalo Suny School Of Engineering And Applied Sciences, University Of California, Los Angeles (Ucla), University Of Illinois At Urbana Champaign, University Of Maryland Baltimore County (Umbc), University Of Massachusetts Medical School Worcester, University Of Tennessee Health Science Center, University Of Texas Southwestern Medical Center. I submit, we should use the same standard for Vietnam. I used this experience and we cut down the Helicopter replacement time from about 2 1/2 weeks to 2 to 4 days. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. we had a building where the company stored our property. The term I like to use is Together We Served. Im proud to be a surviving vet and the men who served with me then and those after me. 1st cav div. Do I count as one or three Vietnam Veterans? Presently, I approached the road to the top of PDL hill, and I was thinking what a beautiful day this would have been if this were some other place in some other world. So, here well dive a little bit deeper into how many Vietnam veterans are estimated to still be alive based on various approximations and predictions. Army Reserve: 189,500 I WOULD SURVIVE! Luck of the draw my twin that received a silver star got the luck of the draw made it home. Lol. I bounced all around and slowed almost to a stop, and I downshifted and ground to first gear while checking my watch. i think the definition should not be restricted by whether you wore khakis or como. My demons were better left alone and buried away after two tours back to back. The Nation supported WWI & WWII, the entire Nation was involved in the war effort. If field infantry personal awarded a CIB having engaged the enemy are a ten (10), what are the field artillery units at a fire base like FSB Gold in Operation Junction City. I flew several hundred sorties in a gunship. An AK found its target in my thigh. 1 in 14 men pulled a trigger in Nam. Thank you for taking the time to read this. When he first got out we roomed together, and I came home from school one day s clss was canceled. Ive seen start dates for the VN war as 1954, 1959, 1961, 1964 and 1965. Why do the vets who served during the Vietnam War era have to be so devisive? . Veterans support veterans, their stories and we bristle at those who would steal their history, we are not Valor Police, but those who pretend are an insult to those of who struggle with that past. Deaths per day . I was there in 1969. No two people standing side by side performed the same duties. My son, James, is 16 and has autism. Born: 08/27/1943. The New York Times, as always, gets it wrong. Please do your own due diligence on the American War Library before citing them on ANYTHING, ever. Vietnam 2/722/73. I did 7 years 66-72 HHC 4/9 Inf and LRRP 25th div, / C 1/327 INF 101st Inf (only 6 mo. Check your POW list. I was drafted and sent to Germany 66-68 because of the Vietnam War in the 4Armored Division. They dont include forces in Guam or Thailand. Im 71 and waiting to see if Ill be the last one standing. maybe, maybe not. just an aside.I was at dinner the other night with my wife and at the next table was an honest Veteran. I dont remember the exact number but remember it was over 500,000 in country and the number was the most ever at one time as the article was about Nixon beginning troop withdrawals that would continue until 1975. The oldest living Vietnam War veteran is believed to be a man named Larrivee Ronald A , who was born in Feb, 24, 1935. Anyone suggesting that only a CIB award means you were a combat veteran is very uninformed The Battle of Soui Tre March 21, 1967 the men of the 2/77 Artillery were every bit infantry as well as Arty that day and many many other FSB battles. Now 69 years/old. We certainly were in close combat often during my tour in 69-70. **********************************************************. We grunts do hold chopper crews in the highest regard! Some where along the way after returning home & towards, if not after the end of involvement, the number Id heard/read was 5 million US military served. This situation has been an issue for years longer than any of us has been around. How Many Vietnam War Veterans Are Still Alive? Should be simple enough but not, Not all ships are blue water ships. They term era should be shit canned. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. he was wearing his VIETNAM ERA VETERAN cover. These Veterans are now in or about to reach their 80's. How many Vietnam vets . I was in Vinh Long in 1965, Mekong delta area. Thats sad and should stop. Videos, Film, Music, and Movies about VN War, Author interview War & Life: Discussions with a Veteran, A Chat Between Three Veterans [live video with author], Lest We Forget Meet the Authors & Book Signing April 4th: Cherries and Donut Dolly, Interview with author John Podlaski in Examiner Magazine, American Heroes Radio interviews author of Cherries A Vietnam War Novel, Cherries Author Interviewed on British Website, U.K. Blogspot posts interviews author, John Podlaski, More Book Reviews and author interviews about Cherries, https://news.va.gov/89450/vietnam-war-veterans-honoring-served-memorial-day-2021/, https://cherrieswriter.com/2015/11/13/lost-to-history-the-canadians-who-fought-in-vietnam/, Three maps remind us of the horror of the Vietnam War WebInvestigator.KK.org by F. 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