[EXPLAINER]. [2], In a final confrontation between Angel and Lindsey, the two buried the hatchet, and Lindsey warned him of the games Wolfram & Hart was trying to play. Two men enter, one man leaves!" > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, Car@rcn.com wrote in article> <3D075A59@rcn.com> > > From the 29 January 2002 online edition of Entertainment Weekly, Marti> > Noxon:> > >. Maggie Walsh was supposed to be a, > > motherly type to Riley. It was> > Maggie who was supposed to tell Riley about Angel to humiliate Buffy in> > front of everyone at the Initiative. Apparently Adam wasoriginally supposed to be a good guy, but when Lindsay Crouse wanted outof her contract they had to scramble to find a new Big Bad. From what I've heard it was between Crouse's agent and ME; specifically money $$$. Ooh, didn't know that. To me that would have been a cooler idea since you don't need to have a huge hidden base under campus and it does not make the Slayer's job completely redundant since you don't have an armed squad of demon-hunter doing her job, just your everyday mad scientist. ", Fans continue to admire the actor and his role, with one commenting: "Marc seems to be one of the most intelligent and down to earth actors with an ego in its proper place. [2], Lorne set him and Angel on the path that would end with the two working together to discover a Wolfram & Hart facility that specialized in unwilling transplant donors. The two wrote much of The Sound of Music. Buffy The Vampire Slayer airs on ALL4 and Prime Video. However, Angel knew that Lindsey could never be trusted, and he had secretly instructed Lorne to assassinate Lindsey once the Sahrvin demons were eliminated. You don't AngelLindsey's last words, Lindsey and Angel allied once more in an effort to stop the Circle. While it is true that the affinity began as a result of a common interest in magic, Willow was always portrayed as the more dominant partner. (Actually, in _Wild at Heart_ Oz still has>>> scratches from his first encounter with Veruca several hours later, so>>> he can't heal too fast. Her maternal grandparents were Pauline (Ives) and author and educator John Erskine. In 1999, he worked with vampiric businessman Russell Winters, a client that because of Lindsey's and his firm's services, could feed on young women without alerting attention. you never know, they could have bonded over him seeing her nude. In fact, while, under the assumption that she'd left the show early, I used to think that that reanimated corpse prof Walsh (in Primeval) was just an extra in prosthetics, it turns out that it was actually herself (Crouse) coming back to the show as planned all along. Gellar has stated she believes Whedon's original intention was "was to put Xander and Buffy together. Returning to his apartment, Lindsey found that Darla had left town, taking all her clothes with her. This is something that has always been interesting to me everytime I watch season 4. Werewolves> and silver bullets could be another false thing. I think she feels she's in direct competition with Buffy. [citationneeded], Angel is given the amulet which Spike eventually uses to destroy the Hellmouth in Sunnydale. ", "For Mamet and Crouse, A Movie is a Family Affair. You never will be.Lorne to Lindsey, Unlike most of Wolfram & Hart's other employees, Lindsey was not entirely devoid of a moral conscience. Their last collaboration was Mr. President in 1962. Kills me! In fact, while, under the assumption that she'd left the show early, I used to think that that reanimated corpse prof Walsh (in Primeval) was just an extra in prosthetics, it turns out that it was actually herself (Crouse) coming back to the show as planned all along. Among her films was a starring role in House of Games, the 1987 film directed and written by her then-husband David Mamet, in which she plays Margaret Ford, a psychiatrist who is intrigued by the art of the con. [17] She and Mamet divorced in 1990. She> > said the Initiative storyline was something that they pulled out of, > > their hats at the last minute. Vampires could not set foot in a church or look upon a holy relic6. I've been expecting Tara to leave orbe off the show for awhile, so her dying (Even though she's not REALLYgoneright? [2], It was then that Lindsey decided to leave Wolfram & Hart permanently, despite the fact he was promoted. Lindsay Ann Crouse is an American actress. If I recall, was not one of Sunday's minions hit by a> > taser by a then unknown assailant? Lindsey then discovered that Darla had slept with Angel. This allowed her to commit murder and get away due to her supposed disability. During the ensuing battle, Lindsey attempted to burn a scroll that Angel needed to save Cordelia. It could be that a longer presence for Walsh was considered in "rough draft" versions of the season-long arc but was then revised away, and writer discussions of this were erroneously morphed into a view that this was a last-minute change based on Crouse's departure. [citationneeded], However, Cordelia's seemingly returning to life was a risk Lindsey's plans. the exact opposite of this paragraph. There are just as many other werewolf stories out there that portray them as being normal humans when not in wolf form who can be killed just like any other person can be. Wesley, unhappy with being forced to serve the Partners, shot those possibilities down, saying the presence of either alongside Angel would not help the Senior Partners get what they wanted, as the vampire would at worst ignore them and kill them at best. On more than one occasion, he joined forces with the Angel Investigations team and helped them stop some of Wolfram & Hart's particularly amoral agendas and operations, such as their plan to assassinate three children[1] or their mystical transplant operation. Buffy Main Cast. 2. He talks about similar issues with Donald Sutherland & Glenn Quinn. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Complete Series (1997-2003) was TV's most unlikely pop-culture phenomenon since The X-Files. Adam may be ridiculous, but is also a fun and fitting Big Bad. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Not bad, but the mix would have beenbetter. )>> >> Though Cain, the werewolf hunter, did make a point of using silver bullets> > We see Cain making his own bullets, but nothing is said about what they> were made of. > > Also, apparently at a convention where Jane Espenson was a panelist. The three hired then-renegade Slayer Faith to assassinate him, promising to free her from her police charges and a doubled amount of payment. It should have been layered a bit with fans even sympathizing with Walsh. Crouse was born in New York City, the daughter of Anna (ne Erskine) and Russel Crouse, a playwright. [1], He then aided in the resurrection of Angel's old lover, Darla by taking over chanting during the ritual to bring her back when the demon Vocah; who was originally performing the ritual; was distracted when Angel attacked him. [2], The Senior Partners gave that Eurotrash vampire everything I've worked for. Buffy: Do Spike and Buffy really love each other? This would at least have given Riley some character otherthan soldier boy. [2] [1][2], I guess it's fair to say you've never seen anything like real poverty. Both of . Riley was different from Buffy's other love interests, is he was the only one who could offer her a slice of normality. But just as he said this, Angel entered the conference they were having where Lindsay introduce him to Wolfram & Hart and telling him that Angel could not touch Winters. I still don'tthink he was; he was a fellow victim and should never have been playedas a big bad. Also, zombies do not eat brains. Fearing that the hand is evil, Lindsey went to Caritas and sang for the Host, revealing that he used to be a regular customer and musician at Caritas until he lost his hand. When Faith made the deal known to him, Angel broke into Lindsey's though was quickly caught out when Lindsey walked in. The thing is would people have cared that Buffy and Riley were being drivenapart? The pair fought on a rising container that held the creature, while Cordelia tried to stop the process. Kane has described the character as being driven by cynicism and ambition: "I still think this cat looks at the glass as being half empty. Crouse was born in New York City, the daughter of Anna (ne Erskine)[1] and Russel Crouse, a playwright. What was her plan? Angel then hurled Winters out of the window of the tall building they were in, into the sunlight where he was burnt to dust. Willow was heavy into magic since season two. [citationneeded], Lindsey legally represented many vampires and demons, as well as evil humans. It has something to offer everyone at all levels Buddhism is dynamic and has captured the interests of Americans. Darla, however, secretly used his feelings to gain information from Wolfram & Hart to obtain a mystical ring from the Senior Partners during the Review. Not that I want to see Oz shot or anythingbutit would have had more impact. Unknown to many in the Initiative, Walsh is also involved in Project 314, a secret program within the Initiative that is creating a hybrid demon-humanoid-mechanoid (demonoid) known as Adam. Lindsey and Eve. Maggie was supposed to be the season's Big Bad.Maggie was supposed to drive a wedge between Buffy and Riley. We use your sign-up to provide content in ways you've consented to and to improve our understanding of you. Whether or not Buffyverse werewolves have any sort of fast healing hasnever been established. Claiming to receive visions from the Powers That Be, he gained Spike's cooperation and trust. Apparently Adam was> > originally supposed to be a good guy, but when Lindsay Crouse wanted out> > of her contract they had to scramble to find a new Big Bad. She produced the Emmy-nominated Opinion Video series "Equal Play," which brought widespread reform to women's sports. Buffy wouldn't have been his enemy if she'd been all 'Frankenstien me up, Doc'. And also, Seth (being oncontract) wouldn't have been missing for the amount of eps Tara was thisseason to make the whole just got back together thing and then killed in thesame episode. [11] Nineteen days later, Lindsey makes a trip to the crater where Sunnydale once stood and digs Spike's amulet out of the Hellmouth. So leaving actually saved his life. Lindsey insisted to Lorne that he had changed, offering to sing for him so Lorne might read his future. Lindsay Crouse - a Best Supporting Actress Oscar nominee in 1985 for Places in the Heart - is a compelling presence as Dr Joan Allenby, a wronged woman who lives out a revenge fantasy after witnessing her lover cheating on her with a young colleague. Shesaid the Initiative storyline was something that they pulled out oftheir hats at the last minute. It wasMaggie who was supposed to tell Riley about Angel to humiliate Buffy infront of everyone at the Initiative. It wasn't a big deal to lose Lindsay Crouse a whole 9episodes earlier than planned. I think the way they went made it much scarier, though. It was an experiment that the Government wanted to test was possible or not, and they put Maggie in charge. The most complicated situation for her is having Riley fall in love with Buffy. Cookie Notice And ya know what, if Michelle Trachtenbergleft in the middle of season 7 I wouldn't mind that one bit. [5], Lindsey represented Vanessa Brewer, a deadly assassin posing as a blind woman. Everybody."[8]. What did Maggie intend for Adam to do then? I think she'd like to fashion the world in her image, but Buffy puts a wrench in the works". Lindsey had tattoos of Enochian protection runes over his body, mystically hiding his presence from the Senior Partners. Nevertheless, a new contract required her to kill the Holy Triumvirate, formed by three innocent children. He had also been betrayed by his boss, Professor Walsh (Lindsay Crouse) who had been in charge of the initiative but had been lying about an attempt to kill his girlfriend, Buffy. Lindsay Ann Crouse is an American actress. At first he enjoyed his new privileges, able to play his guitar again. -- Jukka.@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela), The answer to all questions starting with those four words is "Yes.". She has a vision of what she wants to do. Riley was also the only character to have been accepted as part of the group by Buffy's male friend, Xander Harris (Nicholas Brendon). That was what irked me at first about Tara. At some point, he began a relationship with Eve, the Liaison to the Senior Partners. She is of Russian Jewish and Hungarian Jewish descent. Crouse was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her role in the 1984 movie Places in the Heart. [FAN DISCUSSION]Buffy: Why does Sarah Michelle Gellar not want to return for reboot? Certainly Tara's role would have been quite different,> > or maybe there wouldn't have been a Tara at all. "It was an amazing first job as they were such a nice group of people, they were extremely patient with me. ), -- Don Sample, dsa@synapse.netVisit the Buffy Body Count at http://www.synapse.net/~dsample/BBCQuando omni flunkus moritati. Writing and acting. Anthony Stewart Head, who played Buffy's watcher Rupert Giles, was only represented by an oil painting. Starting in the mailroom, he quickly worked his way up, becoming one of Wolfram & Hart's most valued lawyers. [8] Darla did this with the intent to keep both lawyers as their liaison to the Senior Partners, because though angry for being used by Wolfram & Hart, she desired power. riiighhht?). After huge amounts of fan speculation on the idea, a vampirised Slayer finally did appear in the "Season Nine" comics. They were clearly playing with the Frankenstein myth, where the monster takes a life of its own, ponders the meaning of its existence and wants to create other monsters to keep it company. Lindsay Crouse had more fun playing a zombie than playing Prof. Walsh. "Quitting is not the same as giving up": Lindsay Crouse and Kirby Ferguson make the case for leaving a job, relationship or hobby. [2], Lindsey's driving force was his ambition, largely in part due to his childhood poverty. -- Tim McDaniel is tm@jump.net; if that fail, tm@us.ibm.com is my work account. Lindsey hopes that once the Senior Partners realize the folly of attempting to seduce Angel to their cause, that he will be stripped of his position at Wolfram & Hart, leaving a power vacuum which Lindsey could fill, gaining a measure of revenge on Angel. For her role in the 1984 film Places in the Heart, she received an Academy Award nomination for Best Supporting Actress. Although his deception is exposed and the Cup revealed to be a fake, Lindsey's plans were nevertheless served as Angel begins to doubt himself after losing to Spike. At least one traditional legend we have (as of now) been told isfalse: several people in episodes have said that leprechauns do notexist. If he was making silver> bullets, it might be on a "Pascal's Wager" basis: if the legend IS true,> then using lead bullets is a way for him to get very quickly and very> messily dead. Especially since he's been in the show from almostthe start. Perceiving that Buffy poses a risk to the project, Walsh tries to kill Buffy by sending her on a mission on which she is ambushed by two demons released from the Initiative's holding cells. Harris wasn't playing for money, power or fame. Lindsey was one of six children, two of whom died of the flu. Home of the Daily and Sunday Express. Both Seth Green and Lindsay Crouse bailing in the same season meant theyhad to scramble. While Nike promotes gender equality in its ads, their sponsored athletes say they risk losing pay if they become pregnant. I doubt it. And there> > > would have been far more Angel-Buffy angst if he hadn't gotten his> > own show. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: How many seasons of Buffy are there? I like her caustic nature, because she's not a mean person. Gellar has stated she believes Whedon's original intention was "was to put Xander and Buffy together. "[1], In a gender studies text, Jowett includes a section on the character, and argues the character is "masculinized by her roles as professor, scientist and leader. On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:56:21 -0400, Timothy A. McDaniel wrote: Thoght ASH was supposed to be in the spin-off "Ripper". DonnaMy opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right. One of the biggest last minute changes that affected Buffy was Seth Green leaving early in production of season four. (Yeah, right, like I could tell if it was definitive based on a Usenet posting)-- ************************************************************************ Keith F. Goodnight, Anime Fan |"Pacifism only works ** Keeper of Annapuma's Script Crypt |if everybody feels the ** http://gsoft.smu.edu/ScriptCrypt/crypt.html|same." Lindsay Ann Crouse (born May 12, 1948) is an American actress. Joss has said that Lindsay Crouse was difficult to work with, which led him to killing her off/reducing her role sooner. [15] Although the "mind numbing" visions that Lindsey reported were non-existent, the events described were real. And he is pretty darn cute to boot!! He also became the love interest of the titular character, Buffy Summers (Sarah Michelle Gellar), and they were in a long term relationship. See Lindsay Crouse full list of movies and tv shows from their career. If this or other postsmade through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email ab@newsone.net. An understanding that Willow found inconvenient as she used magic to empower her and increase her standing with Buffy. When he did, Lindsay discovered the man slaughter was a hoax to get Darla to Angel and hopefully take his soul. I was really creeped out when he reanimated the corpses of Walsh and the other doctor. Buffy has actually played on this a bit in "Buffy v Dracula" when Spike blames Dracula for spilling the beans about vampire weaknesses-- implying that before Dracula's story was written, most myth and legend knew little or nothing about them. Perhaps with the intention of using them as police or even soldiers. For more information, please see our Come to think of it, it does make sense that Adam was the planned Big Bad all along. For me, the character of Maggie Walsh is a great addition to this season. Beating him down with his bare hands while apologizing for the fact Darla didn't love him and that he made the right choices, Angel used the sledgehammer to smash Lindsey's prosthetic hand, noting that Lindsey should be grateful he recently had an epiphany, as Angel could have easily destroyed Lindsey's remaining real hand instead. riiighhht?) Privacy Policy. If Seth Green handn't left, it would have been him lying dead on the bedroom floor in "Seeing Red". A person I would really like to know!". (Actually, in _Wild at Heart_ Oz still hasscratches from his first encounter with Veruca several hours later, sohe can't heal too fast. You do realize that Wolf Lake has nothing to do with Buffy, don't you? [2][3] Lindsay Ann Crouse's full name is an intentional tribute to the Broadway writing partnership of Lindsay and Crouse, which consisted of her father and his writing partner, Howard Lindsay. You don't think she's just pining for the fjords? Blucas, now 48, joined the cast of Buffy in 1999 and this was his first major TV role, with the show acting as a springboard to a long-running TV and film career. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. "[3], Months later, Lindsey then worked with fellow lawyers Lilah Morgan and Lee Mercer, both having had previous plans ruined by Angel, to have him killed. [9] Crouse is also known for her role in the fourth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where she was a recurring supporting cast member playing Professor Maggie Walsh. "[21], "Lindsay Crouse keeps up a Family Stage Tradition. Personally I think> > ASH's departure this season was even more devastating.> >>> I wonder. The show then went into a bunch of filler/side stories involving I'm not sure I'd have been desperately interested in the Maggie/Rileyrelationship. Older ones could control rodents7. As his character grew in popularity, he was included as part of the credited cast in the show's titles. The WB/YouTube. Marc Blucas is an American actor who is best known for his role in the supernatural teen drama, Buffy The Vampire Slayer. That's because as with most female athletes, no matter how good she got, those things. She was striving so hard to understand what life was about. She is also a Grammy Award nominee. "[3], Crouse gave some insight into her view on her character, "She's such an extremist. > > > > This is the first time I've ever heard this. Hmm interesting hope someone has info on this? It's very dramatic poetry in that way. I think she/they (the initiative) wanted to create a "super-being" who could fight crime, kill demons etc, and then the scientists could continue to use the demon parts to create more "super-beings". "Because everybody needs to go home and complain about the director. Unable to get within a good distance due to a cross Lindsey held, Angel threw a scythe at Lindsey, chopping off his right hand. While> Oz would have remained Willows love interest, I don't think we would> have seen Buffy crying in Oz's lap in "Dead Things" for instance. Crouse's film career began in 1976, with small roles in television and theatrical movies. Maggie Walsh was supposed to be a> motherly type to Riley. The Initiative project is shut down permanently. I've seen other published interviews that say Lindsay Crouse was disappointed to learn her character was destind to die halfway through the season-- i.e. This also explains why they didn't think to ring in some othermilitary type as the big bad. "Look at my generation. ", "North Shore Film Festival wraps up on May 8 and 9. Fans struggled to connect with Riley when he was first introduced to the show, as he was seen as just another of Buffy's romances. Green supposedly wanted a better storyline to showcase his talents (hey, yeah, hey being pretty much interchangable with Tara's lines). However, Adam awakens and impales Walsh, killing her, and escapes from the Initiative. It's easy to kill offrecurring character's, it's tougher to kill off contract regulars. "You can't stop and recite something," says Crouse. Crouse was on her way to audition for Bob Rafelson's 1981 remake of The Postman Always Rings Twice, and jokingly Mamet told Crouse to tell Rafelson that "he was a fool if he didn't hire me to write the screenplay." Smart guy! Walsh retreats to the labs of Project 314, where she plots how to use Adam to defeat Buffy. When he tried to kill the aspiring actress Cordelia Chase, Angel attacked Russell at his manor to save her. Dressed in his casual attire, Lindsey left Los Angeles and went on a soul-searching trip, including, amongst other places, Nepal. During the day vampires had to sleep in a coffin with its native soil init and would return to a death like state.3. [13] In 2021, she appeared in a limited engagement of Mornings at Seven at Broadway's Theatre at St. Willow was headed down that path anyway and Tara was a fellow traveller. An interesting thing about Joss is he's not very diplomatic, I like that about him. bah. was not that big if a surprise. Before the Initiative showed up I had assumed that Maggie had discovered the existance of vampires and was using them as guinea pigs for various psych experiments. [16] John Lahr writes in his book Show and Tell: New Yorker Profiles that when Mamet married Crouse in 1977, he "married into show business aristocracy". Maggie was supposed to be the season's Big Bad.> Maggie was supposed to drive a wedge between Buffy and Riley. There were indications that the Initiative existed from the> > first episode. She's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. Although it seemed that he and Angel had buried the hatchet, Lindsey was unable to cope with the fact that the Senior Partners gave Angel everything that Lindsey had worked so hard for. I do wish I was a little more seasoned and mature at the time to realise how good it was. Among them was the donor of Lindsey's hand, an old friend of his from his mailroom days. Various creatures captured by the Initiative were dissected to provide the parts for Adam. "[2], Crouse has explained how her character was initially explained to her, "Joss tried to explain to me who this character was. Lindsay Crouse ( @lindsaycrouse) is a writer and producer in Opinion. Adamwas a last minute replacement as the Big Bad. I mean, it's the year 2000 people, we almost thought the world was going to end because computers couldn't cope with the millennium bug and the Big Bad is a mutant hybrid demon with a built-in dial-up modem. We had a lot more planned for Seth Green> > (Oz), for example, but his departure> > > [to do films] opened the door for Tara (Amber Benson), which was> > something we never expected. The Initiative project is shut down permanently. Holland, surprised by Lindsey's willingness to stand up as his person, welcomed Lindsey back, giving him a raise and his own office. Crouse's essay has now racked up more than 3 million page views. ", Another fan said: "Always loved Riley (re-watching Buffy just now) and it turns out the actor is as sincere and lovable as the character he played. If I recall, was not one of Sunday's minions hit by a taser by a then unknown assailant? "Christian Kane (lindsey) - Horror-web.com Interview. If I recall, was not one of Sunday's minions hit by a> taser by a then unknown assailant? In recent years, Crouse has concentrated on the theater. Crouse viewed her character "no nonsense, and she seems to be a real teacher. ", "Morning's at Seven Revival to Star Lindsay Crouse, Judith Ivey, Patty McCormack, and More | TheaterMania", "Robert Duvall, Hollywood's No. This transcript is intended to be used for criticism, comment, and research purposes. I really enjoy the strong, challenging women that pop up in Buffy's world - Maggie Walsh, Jenny Calendar, Anya, & Tara to name a few. There were indications that the Initiative existed from the> first episode. Since Buffy is meant to be the central character surely thedrama should focus on a her rather than Riley. Crouse viewed her character "no nonsense, and she seems to be a real teacher. The break was eventually detected and Lindsey, along with Lilah, Lee, and several other employees where searched by mind readers. The plan was averted as Spike, Cordelia, and Angel were able to uncover Lindsey's actions. I read something about this in the official Buffy Magazine years ago, don't remember what it said other than Maggie was going to play a much bigger part in Season 4 originally. > in article 130620022021411075%dsa@synapse.net, Don Sample at> dsa@synapse.net wrote on 6/13/02 7:24 PM:> > > In article <21ced21e.0206@posting.google.com>, Sam> >
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